<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2783683689451585734</id><updated>2011-10-03T13:29:29.244-07:00</updated><category term='Warren Buffett'/><category term='Bank of America'/><category term='Berkshire Hathaway'/><title type='text'>BlackAcacia - A Journey Through the World of Business and Finance</title><subtitle type='html'>BlackAcacia is a forum for the discussion of all things financial and business related. You will find me posting on the major happenings in the world of finance and lot of financially philosophical stuff as well. There won't be a lot of politics discussed, but the financial ramifications of political actions may find their way into a post. I like finance and business, and if you do too come by and pull up a seat.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2783683689451585734/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>mjones510</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14458936488986585310</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>3</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2783683689451585734.post-7449249419357872362</id><published>2011-09-05T21:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-09-05T21:55:07.429-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Berkshire Hathaway'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Warren Buffett'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bank of America'/><title type='text'>Warren Buffett's Investment in BofA - And what is doesn't tell us</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;A hot topic of discussion lately has been Warren Buffet’s (dba Berkshire Hathaway) investment in Bank of America and the either – good, or great terms, he was able to get on his $5 billion investment.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In investment that BofA said it didn’t need and/or didn’t want.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A lot of the attention has been paid to the implied profitability of the structure of the transaction, and I have read some good analysis of the implicit discount he received (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2302540/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: x-small;"&gt;this is from Slate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There has even been some talk about the implicit wager on the willingness/ability of the federal government to provide a “backstop” by refusing to let another major financial institution fail (a real, and probably accurate market perception).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;But for me it boils down to something a lot simpler – size.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;By investing $5 billion in BofA, Berkshire became one of the largest shareholders, and if you include the options would be able to control something in the order of 50,000 preferred shares and 700,000 common shares (at an exercise price of about $5 billion).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But even at that level of investment it represents just 14% of BofA’s total market cap as of today, which is down 80% from 2007.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So he got a good return (6%) and liquidity on $5 billion, which is something that is hard to do.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Consider that Berkshire had &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=BRK-A"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: x-small;"&gt;$47 billion in cash&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt; as of 6/30/11, mainly in Treasuries, so the ability to put $5 billion to work at a yield 3x what Treasuries are paying with an equity upside in the form of “at-the-money” warrants is a huge win.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There are only so many places one can put $5 billion without fully taking over a company.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As a matter of fact, there are only &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/performers/companies/biggest/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: x-small;"&gt;36 companies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt; (including BofA) in the US with a market cap above $70 billion (BofA’s is $77 billion as of 9/1/11).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Investing $5 billion in a company smaller than that would run the risk of having to consolidate their operations in Berkshire’s financial reporting and effectively exercising control over the company, or being stuck with a position they could not hope to get out of efficiently.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;Buffett said he was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2010ltr.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: x-small;"&gt;hunting with an elephant gun these days&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt; and there are only so many elephants roaming the financial landscape, and you really can’t shoot too many other animals with elephant guns and not completely blow them up.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;So at the end of the day I think size – sheer, unadulterated size, explains a lot of the investment in BofA.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And I think going forward Berkshire will probably do a more of what is effectively PIPE (Private Investment in Public Entity) type investing.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Elephant guns aren’t very effective on rabbits, so when he sees elephants out there I’m not going to be surprised when he pulls the trigger.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2783683689451585734-7449249419357872362?l=blackacacia.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/feeds/7449249419357872362/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/2011/09/warren-buffetts-investment-in-bofa-and.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2783683689451585734/posts/default/7449249419357872362'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2783683689451585734/posts/default/7449249419357872362'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/2011/09/warren-buffetts-investment-in-bofa-and.html' title='Warren Buffett&apos;s Investment in BofA - And what is doesn&apos;t tell us'/><author><name>mjones510</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14458936488986585310</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2783683689451585734.post-1163154380314684226</id><published>2011-07-28T08:29:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-28T08:29:42.283-07:00</updated><title type='text'>What Could the World Do? (The US Debt Issue)</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The current financial impasse in Washington has raised some very interesting political questions and some thought provoking financial questions as well.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One of the big questions is if the us does default, &lt;b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;What are we gonna do&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The answer that makes the most sense to me is &lt;u&gt;nothing&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Let me explain a little bit.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;First the US has about $14.3 trillion in debt, (that is $14,300 billion just to lend some perspective to the number).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Well that is more sovereign debt than any other country in the world (The entire European Union has $13.7 trillion, per the world bank&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;- Wikipedia &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;) .&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So the US is the 800 pound gorilla sitting not in the corner, but in the middle of the room.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Assuming the debt impasse and a technical default and downgrade, many institutional investors would be forced to sell based upon their investment policies, but where can you go?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The real answer is that there isn’t anywhere you can really go because there are not enough AAA rated securities to soak up all of the money that would be forced to move out of Treasuries and into something else.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But for me the question is more basic, why would you need to move your money anyway.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Living in California there are building codes that must be adhered to when building anything in California given the high occurrence of earthquakes (makes sense). &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;So the biggest, recorded earthquake was in the 8 on the Richter Scale, a level that would cause massive destruction.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But earthquakes codes are not designed for buildings to survive a 10 or 11 earthquake (which also makes sense).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;At some point you have to accept that at a certain level the cost, and likelihood of occurrence make certain steps “unreasonable”.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If we have a level 11 earthquake everything is falling down and at that point we are going to have to start over (Noah style).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The same issue exists for US debt.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There is no market that is capable of absorb the money currently in Treasuries, and despite the political wrangling current engulfing us, what is really safer than US debt?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;All of our debt is in US dollars, which we alone print, so there is not a currency issue.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We have the largest economy in the world by far (take a look &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp-economy-gdp"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;GDP by Country&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;), &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;and although we all hate the IRS we have a very good means of collecting taxes from our citizenry.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So would you rather have a piece of the income of LeBron James the basketball player or LeBron the bus driver?...the answer is LeBron James the basketball player.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And the reality today is that the US is still LeBron James the basketball player, but we are just having an argument with our fiancé/wife on how we are going pay for the new Bentley.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;According to the World Bank roughly 2/3 of US debt is held by American institutions.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;With Bond rates at their lowest levels in years, there is still a very deep market for US debt, and if the debt ceiling were not an issue we could easily just print up more bonds to handle our current fiscal situation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And despite the fact that China is our largest foreign holder of US debt, they represent less than 10% of our total outstanding debt (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Composition_of_U.S._Long-Term_Treasury_Debt_2005-2010.PNG"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;US Debt Holders&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;), and they also don’t have anywhere to dump a $1 trillion in US debt without dramatically effecting the value of their holdings (remember there is nowhere for the money to go).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Calibri&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;"&gt;So what will happen?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Politics matter, and our inability to manager our politics is going to cost us in the short run and the long run.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The US has been the center of the financial world for the past 60 years, not because we are cooler than everyone else in the world, it’s because we built the financial infrastructure, and London needed to focus on rebuilding falling the end of World War II.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So we might be opening the door for someone to supplant the US in terms of our world financial prowess, but think about like this - The UK was at one time the most powerful country in the world with one of the largest economies in the world, despite the fact that it is a relatively tiny island nation, with not that many people.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Today the US has the &lt;a href="http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/ctypopls.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;third largest population in the world&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (behind on China and India) which means we have a lot of people who will continue to innovate and expand our economy, and we have the largest economy in the world (something that won’t change any time soon) which means we are going to be here for a while….no matter what Washington does.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2783683689451585734-1163154380314684226?l=blackacacia.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/feeds/1163154380314684226/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/2011/07/what-could-world-do-us-debt-issue.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2783683689451585734/posts/default/1163154380314684226'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2783683689451585734/posts/default/1163154380314684226'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/2011/07/what-could-world-do-us-debt-issue.html' title='What Could the World Do? (The US Debt Issue)'/><author><name>mjones510</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14458936488986585310</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2783683689451585734.post-8391742532564435936</id><published>2011-07-14T08:28:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-14T08:28:53.076-07:00</updated><title type='text'>One Man's Tweet is Another Man's Treasure (maybe.......)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;One Man’s Tweet is Another Man’s Treasure&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;To value a company at 40 times revenue suggests a growth of the order that usually is note seen among public companies, at least not those that survive.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Not a direct indictment of Twitter and its investors which, according to media reports, placed a value on the company of approximately $8 billion, but it does beg some serious question in my mind, the biggest one being what if anything does Twitter’s value show us.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;As finance guy, anytime I hear or read about those grand valuation for companies, thanks to my undergrad finance and econ professors, I immediately try to figure out what type of growth these investors are expecting to justify these “lofty” valuations. And at the end of the day that’s what you’re supposed to be buying as a shareholder – a share of the cash flows generated by a company.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The basis of capitalism is risk and return, where those who risk capital are more handsomely reward than those who do not, but the reality today is that we also reward timing and opportunity (sometimes to a greater degree) and it is hard at times to assess the extent to which timing skews or obliterates fundamentals.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But the reality is fortunately or unfortunately depending on your perspective finance fundamentals and valuations always, and I mean always losses out to supply and demand, which is the definition of a bubble.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But almost by definition few people see bubbles in the midst of the bubble and hindsight is always 20/20.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But let’s talk about Twitter for second.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I just did some back of the envelope calculations, that took me right to where I thought I would be.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Now this is based on the reported numbers which may or may not be accurate, but if the numbers are even close the conclusion is the same.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Twitter has an estimated value of $8 billion based on revenue of approximately $200 million and close to breakeven profitability.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is a price to sales ratio of 40x (by comparison&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I read Zynga has valuation of 33 or 37x sales, which for my money is just the same).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As a shareholder you&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;buy Twitter with some expectation of return/price appreciation over your holding period.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So if you&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;assume a 15% annual return over 5 years, the market capitalization would need to roughly double to $16 billion, which may seem possible over 5 years.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But in five years the price/sales ratio will have declined (it usually does for companies) due to the company’s growth (hopefully); as an example Goodle has a pricse/sales equal to roughly 6x.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But if in 5 years Twitter had higher growth prospects that Google today (on a relative basis) and traded at a 10x price/sales ratio, sales would need to reach $1.6 billion&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;to justify the $16 billion value, which is a growth rate of 8x current revenue (Google’s revenue has grown 10x since its IPO).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Not saying Twitter isn’t the next Google, but does Twitter have the same value proposition for advertisers (who knows), will they be able to find a new revenue stream other than advertising (maybe), will they have future competitors (it’s possible or not).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The reality is that as an investor you are buying into certain assumptions for the future if you buy Twitter.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;One reality is that everyone doesn’t have a 5 year holding period and a lot of the investors will do just fine selling their shares after the IPO for what will surely be a return of several multiples on their initial investment, and because of the timing of their sell and the opportunity of their purchase everything will be just fine for them.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;So at the end of the day what does Twitter’s valuation tell us about finance, or the state of the economy, or the technology 2.0 bubble – nothing.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;All it tells us is that the value of Twitter is $8 billion today and to buy in now you have to hope to seem some pretty impressive things if you plan to hang on to it after the IPO.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2783683689451585734-8391742532564435936?l=blackacacia.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/feeds/8391742532564435936/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/2011/07/one-mans-tweet-is-another-mans-treasure.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2783683689451585734/posts/default/8391742532564435936'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2783683689451585734/posts/default/8391742532564435936'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://blackacacia.blogspot.com/2011/07/one-mans-tweet-is-another-mans-treasure.html' title='One Man&apos;s Tweet is Another Man&apos;s Treasure (maybe.......)'/><author><name>mjones510</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14458936488986585310</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
